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on Jan 7, 2017
Guys, our admin Optimus Prime is thinking of moving to a yearly subscription to reduce takedowns by hiding the indexer, hiding the obfuscated releases from non-BFF's etc. Now, I for one would be happy to move to a yearly sub if he could guarantee the site would be maintained 24/7. So my question is who else would accept yearly subscriptions?

ps. you can see the full list of additional services admin are considering in the forum post ' Inner Sanctum Problems'


on Jan 7, 2017
ps. here is the full text of his suggestions:

What do you guys think of the following bandaids.
- I've been thinking to hide the indexer perhaps that would put a dent in the takedowns for a little while but that would lower donations and we might have to move to yearly subs to cover server costs. 4 years online btw! :D
- only allowing bff's to see renamed releases
- limit the api more by totals per day and per sec. i've banned quite a few servers querying our api for every known author for instance
- write scripts to ban api crawlers automagically

most only applies if indexers are used as reference for takedowns,
we have a few 100,000s of releases only properly renamed here afaik. by hiding these from regular and writing the api crawler ban script, maybe they can be saved from the next takedown.
on Jan 7, 2017
I guess I am curious to hear more about how those band-aids would help.

Hiding the indexer would be interesting, but it couldn't truly be hidden or no one could access it. I have my own personal indexer, that truly is hidden, but I am the only one that can access it. BUT to say it, mine doesn't work as well as this one.

I think restricting non-bff's might generate more revenue then creating a yearly sub.

I think banning API crawlers would be key, that would reduce the load on the servers in a huge way. And of course anything using automagic is worth doing!

To say, if the admins want help maintaining the server infrastructure I am more then willing to volunteer my time. Its what i do for a living.
on Jan 7, 2017
I wouldn't have a problem paying yearly if it would help.
on Jan 8, 2017
i think $10 a year is a fair price. maybe a special badge for those of us that have been there since the begining...
on Jan 8, 2017
Hi I am very interested in a yearly sub. I have been here for several years could even be near the beginning :)
I like the idea of limiting to bffs, and also blocking api crawlers.
Limiting takedowns would-be a welcomed move!
Thank you,
on Jan 8, 2017
once the site is maintained 24/7 i have no problem with a yearly subscription.
on Jan 8, 2017
I'm all for a yearly sub if it means our fellow BFF Crawler's can continue to use this wonderful site!!!
on Jan 8, 2017
happy to pay for something that works, it appears to be one of the fastest around.
on Jan 8, 2017
If it works, I'll pay yearly sub; do so on other sites. Happy that there's an admin here again :)
on Jan 9, 2017
i'm in; this is the BEST place.
on Jan 11, 2017
I'm in too
on Jan 11, 2017
To my way of thinking having the site open is just asking for trouble.

Having a BFF free forever really does not pay the bills if you lock things down.

When this site is running properly its the best around.

A yearly fee say $10-15 seems reasonable, though I have to say $10-15 a month for instance would be more than I'd put out.

on Jan 12, 2017
I'm going along with the above ... $10-15 a year... Seems more than reasonable.
on Jan 14, 2017
dont use it that often nowadays but am happy enough to pay yearlyits worth every penny
on Jan 16, 2017
Me too, but give us the option to pay for multiple years at a time.
on Jan 16, 2017
I paid for a lifetime BUT that was then this is now.I'll go ten or fifteen a year.
on Jan 17, 2017
Ditto Here. I've contributed quite a bit over the years. Have no problem paying a reasonable annual amount, as long as we have some backup admins.
on Jan 18, 2017
I would be happy to pay $10-15 per year to keep this site going.
on Jan 19, 2017
I'm in
on Jan 20, 2017
sounds good to me im in, but i dont no what the sign up rate is for BFF but may be all new to sign is for a yearly, and the long term get to keep the Bff for ever!, for suport of this great site, just a thought :)
on Jan 22, 2017
Another site I'm on has limited API, downloads, etc, for non-VIP/BFF, and unlimited for VIP/BFF. It ensures people come into the door, and sign up for the handiness.

Anything per month will drive people away. Per year is more feasible.
on Jan 25, 2017
I posted in another thread some time ago that BFF status notwithstanding I'd be happy to pay annually for the site if they can get it back to where it was. I still am. It's not there yet (still too many server connection issues and nginx errors) but it's slowly getting there. I wouldn't want monthly payments and would question anything more frequent than semi-annual. Collecting payments and keeping track of who paid when takes human and machine resources that are better dedicated to keeping the site running properly.
on Jan 25, 2017
Happy to subscribe if the site remains stable. All comes down to value for money for me.
on Jan 27, 2017
When do we start?
on Jan 27, 2017
Yeppers just add a donate button!
on Jan 27, 2017
So...yearly subscription at $10 per month? Post a total and I will pay through bitcoins unless you want to add it to the donation page.
on Jan 29, 2017
i will not use bitcoin. you have to find another way, if paypal still won't accept you, which i don't understand why.

on Jan 29, 2017
Why not bitcoin?? Something I don't know about it? Please fill me in!
Megatron - admin
on Jan 29, 2017
@quarkienette: Not quite sure what the issue is with bitcoins? It is a perfectly legal (crypto) currency. It is even being endorsed and accepted by governments around the world.
on Jan 29, 2017
i don't know what they are, i don't know how to buy them, and i can't be arsed, quite frankly. i've donated at least twice on here, and i didn't use bitcoins. so ?
Megatron - admin
on Jan 29, 2017
We are working on getting PayPal support back on here, but things aren't as simple as it may look. As far as Bitcoins go, Google is your friend, just as well as it was for PayPal the first time around no doubt.
on Jan 30, 2017
I've used bitcoin for other things and never had an issue.....yet. It's just as easy to use.
on Feb 6, 2017
I am fine with the $10 - 15 year and also with bitcoin payments
on Feb 10, 2017
Hey, when are we going to get this show on the road?
on Feb 10, 2017
paypal gets my vote. I dont think I would go through the trouble with bitcoin tbh. also wouldn't mind a 6 month option.
on Feb 11, 2017
Never used BitCoin, dont want to, wont look at even entertaining it.
Paypal > Yes
CC > Yes

Also those with BFF lose their status as BFF when new model comes in (until you've made payment again)?

Not really fair on those of us that supported UC over the years, maybe those with BFF status would get the option of reduced yearly cost or full cost but their choice to choose A or B.
on Feb 12, 2017
I could happily support an annual fee of around £10, & like others I'd really prefer other options than bitcoin
on Feb 12, 2017
Gave tried to use Bitcon before. After jumping thru all the hoops required my account was denied. I'll not try again.

If the "pay to play" option is adopted you may want to conceder a "lite membership" option. Some of us only use this site occasionally and already pay for other premium sites. Maybe Reduce API hits to 100 per day for "BFF Lite" for the current $10/Lifetime members.... or some other way to implement a lite membership option.
on Feb 12, 2017
Would try bitcoin again but i found a pain in the arse last time i tried it
on Feb 13, 2017
Your LIQPay method cost me US$10 because it went through as a wire transfer. I didn't appreciate the "surprise" charge. However you decide to accept payment please don't use a provider that causes additional charges.
on Feb 13, 2017
I am in - $10-$15 a year, not even a worry. And I am even willing to jump on the Bitcoin wagon if I have to!
on Feb 15, 2017
I would only use Paypal as well.
on Feb 15, 2017
Yes, dont understand bitcoin. My brain freezes over. Spent great deal of time trying to figuren out. Interested in paypal. Many times wanted to send money. Didnt know how. Another site had same problem with paypal.
They stated - on paypal allowed to send money to an email account. As if sending to a friend. (Probably best not to mention Usenet crawler.) Make sure listing your handle to get credit.
Mr. Admin - would that work?
Feel many of us wanted to send, but too complex to figure out how to do it.
Been with you since the beginning.
We love this site! What joy brings us! Thank you!
on Feb 16, 2017
You can use Circle.com for bitcoin
on Feb 26, 2017
Happy for a £10-£15 annual subscription but bitcoin is a no no. The last time I tried it for a site subscription on another site I spent hours trying to set up a bitcoin account and even tried just to buy some and in the end, the error messages when something invariably went wrong was so opaque that I just gave up having little to no confidence in the organisations I had been trying to deal with and at the time these were reputedly bitcoin organisations in good standing.

Then again, if you do make it bitcoin only, it wouldn't be too big a loss as I doubt I use the site more than once a month or so, if that, I just like to have it as a possible back up and hence why £10-£15 would be an acceptable annual price. It is also on par with a couple of other useful usenet sites I keep as backup as no one site comes close to having everything.

Looked at circle.com and it looks like an awful lot of trouble just to make one payment to one site that nowadays I only have as a backup. What do you plan to do if you go the bitcoin route, i.e. what will happen to existing bff.
on Feb 26, 2017
Happy with $10 PA, happy with Bitcoin. Not so happy to hand over any more $ until reliability issues are fixed and site has been running for at least a couple on months without significant downtime.
on Mar 5, 2017
As a lite user, I’d be fine with paying $12 a year, but Bitcoin is a bit too much hassle for many of us and I totally understand why Paypal is not a solution.

I’m also not happy to share my data with Eastern European or Russian Payment processors. Amazon gift cards would work very well for me personally, but is obviously not a real solution from a biz perspective either.

I’ve seen another indexer and even a usenet provider accepting Stripe as cc processor, and I hope the site operator finds a way to integrate it. Alternatively, as mentioned previously, there is a China based payment processor that is easy to set up, but then all funds are in Chinese Yuan Renminbi. Currency conversion fees apply and I have no clue how hard or easy it is to wire the funds back out from China. However, I’ve seen this option being successfully used by a UK based online biz since many years.

I also suggest to severely limit the free accounts once some better payment options have been set-up.
Currently, there is almost no reason for free members to pay something, apart from their conscience and a longing for solidarity.

Lastly, I also agree with the previous poster, that the site’s uptime has to be improved.
on Mar 7, 2017
I'm more than happy to pay yearly but again no way with bitcoin. complete pain in the arse. Paypal ok though
on Mar 8, 2017
I'd be in for that as well. Bitcoin is fine too. But, I also agree that there needs to be better reliability. Seems like this thing is down a lot. Get a Circle account, people. Makes Bitcoin simple.
on Mar 8, 2017
I second that suggestion, Bradnoid. I have a Circle account and it was pretty easy to setup.
on Mar 11, 2017
"As far as Bitcoins go, Google is your friend, just as well as it was for PayPal the first time around no doubt."

Add me to the list of people who will not pay if it is Bitcoin. Your site, your choice, but we users have choices as well.
on Mar 18, 2017
I vote for yearly subscriptions for a service that has rebounded well to provide very up to date nzbs. It is well worth investing in stability in a very valuable source.
on Mar 18, 2017
PS. Had many problems with bitcoin so there must be an alternative payment, e.g. paypal.

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