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MysticCat
on Jan 7, 2017
(37 Wks)
Guys, our admin Optimus Prime is thinking of moving to a yearly subscription to reduce takedowns by hiding the indexer, hiding the obfuscated releases from non-BFF's etc. Now, I for one would be happy to move to a yearly sub if he could guarantee the site would be maintained 24/7. So my question is who else would accept yearly subscriptions?

ps. you can see the full list of additional services admin are considering in the forum post ' Inner Sanctum Problems'

regards,

.
MysticCat
on Jan 7, 2017
(37 Wks)
ps. here is the full text of his suggestions:

What do you guys think of the following bandaids.
- I've been thinking to hide the indexer perhaps that would put a dent in the takedowns for a little while but that would lower donations and we might have to move to yearly subs to cover server costs. 4 years online btw! :D
- only allowing bff's to see renamed releases
- limit the api more by totals per day and per sec. i've banned quite a few servers querying our api for every known author for instance
- write scripts to ban api crawlers automagically

most only applies if indexers are used as reference for takedowns,
we have a few 100,000s of releases only properly renamed here afaik. by hiding these from regular and writing the api crawler ban script, maybe they can be saved from the next takedown.
gogogad
on Jan 7, 2017
(37 Wks)
I guess I am curious to hear more about how those band-aids would help.

Hiding the indexer would be interesting, but it couldn't truly be hidden or no one could access it. I have my own personal indexer, that truly is hidden, but I am the only one that can access it. BUT to say it, mine doesn't work as well as this one.

I think restricting non-bff's might generate more revenue then creating a yearly sub.

I think banning API crawlers would be key, that would reduce the load on the servers in a huge way. And of course anything using automagic is worth doing!

To say, if the admins want help maintaining the server infrastructure I am more then willing to volunteer my time. Its what i do for a living.
gn744300
on Jan 7, 2017
(37 Wks)
I wouldn't have a problem paying yearly if it would help.
kaostriplethick
on Jan 8, 2017
(37 Wks)
i think $10 a year is a fair price. maybe a special badge for those of us that have been there since the begining...
trapperjohn
on Jan 8, 2017
(37 Wks)
Hi I am very interested in a yearly sub. I have been here for several years could even be near the beginning :)
I like the idea of limiting to bffs, and also blocking api crawlers.
Limiting takedowns would-be a welcomed move!
Thank you,
Bryan
demon9
on Jan 8, 2017
(37 Wks)
once the site is maintained 24/7 i have no problem with a yearly subscription.
dm450
on Jan 8, 2017
(37 Wks)
I'm all for a yearly sub if it means our fellow BFF Crawler's can continue to use this wonderful site!!!
steady
on Jan 8, 2017
(37 Wks)
happy to pay for something that works, it appears to be one of the fastest around.
sycopath1916
on Jan 8, 2017
(37 Wks)
If it works, I'll pay yearly sub; do so on other sites. Happy that there's an admin here again :)
quarkienette
on Jan 9, 2017
(37 Wks)
i'm in; this is the BEST place.
jumpbackjack
on Jan 11, 2017
(37 Wks)
I'm in too
znippet
on Jan 11, 2017
(37 Wks)
To my way of thinking having the site open is just asking for trouble.

Having a BFF free forever really does not pay the bills if you lock things down.

When this site is running properly its the best around.

A yearly fee say $10-15 seems reasonable, though I have to say $10-15 a month for instance would be more than I'd put out.

Z
xanthi
on Jan 12, 2017
(37 Wks)
I'm going along with the above ... $10-15 a year... Seems more than reasonable.
oddbin
on Jan 14, 2017
(36 Wks)
dont use it that often nowadays but am happy enough to pay yearlyits worth every penny
LJfsj4odf
on Jan 16, 2017
(36 Wks)
Me too, but give us the option to pay for multiple years at a time.
tanka
on Jan 16, 2017
(36 Wks)
I paid for a lifetime BUT that was then this is now.I'll go ten or fifteen a year.
dgitter
on Jan 17, 2017
(36 Wks)
Ditto Here. I've contributed quite a bit over the years. Have no problem paying a reasonable annual amount, as long as we have some backup admins.
Baminga
on Jan 18, 2017
(36 Wks)
I would be happy to pay $10-15 per year to keep this site going.
nzb187
on Jan 19, 2017
(36 Wks)
I'm in
ragga
on Jan 20, 2017
(35 Wks)
sounds good to me im in, but i dont no what the sign up rate is for BFF but may be all new to sign is for a yearly, and the long term get to keep the Bff for ever!, for suport of this great site, just a thought :)
sycopath1916
on Jan 22, 2017
(35 Wks)
Another site I'm on has limited API, downloads, etc, for non-VIP/BFF, and unlimited for VIP/BFF. It ensures people come into the door, and sign up for the handiness.

Anything per month will drive people away. Per year is more feasible.
RickP
on Jan 25, 2017
(35 Wks)
I posted in another thread some time ago that BFF status notwithstanding I'd be happy to pay annually for the site if they can get it back to where it was. I still am. It's not there yet (still too many server connection issues and nginx errors) but it's slowly getting there. I wouldn't want monthly payments and would question anything more frequent than semi-annual. Collecting payments and keeping track of who paid when takes human and machine resources that are better dedicated to keeping the site running properly.
BeastleeUK
on Jan 25, 2017
(35 Wks)
Happy to subscribe if the site remains stable. All comes down to value for money for me.
Tetragrama
on Jan 27, 2017
(34 Wks)
When do we start?
smee419
on Jan 27, 2017
(34 Wks)
Yeppers just add a donate button!
smee419
on Jan 27, 2017
(34 Wks)
So...yearly subscription at $10 per month? Post a total and I will pay through bitcoins unless you want to add it to the donation page.
quarkienette
on Jan 29, 2017
(34 Wks)
i will not use bitcoin. you have to find another way, if paypal still won't accept you, which i don't understand why.

smee419
on Jan 29, 2017
(34 Wks)
Why not bitcoin?? Something I don't know about it? Please fill me in!
Megatron - admin
on Jan 29, 2017
(34 Wks)
@quarkienette: Not quite sure what the issue is with bitcoins? It is a perfectly legal (crypto) currency. It is even being endorsed and accepted by governments around the world.
quarkienette
on Jan 29, 2017
(34 Wks)
i don't know what they are, i don't know how to buy them, and i can't be arsed, quite frankly. i've donated at least twice on here, and i didn't use bitcoins. so ?
Megatron - admin
on Jan 29, 2017
(34 Wks)
We are working on getting PayPal support back on here, but things aren't as simple as it may look. As far as Bitcoins go, Google is your friend, just as well as it was for PayPal the first time around no doubt.
smee419
on Jan 30, 2017
(34 Wks)
I've used bitcoin for other things and never had an issue.....yet. It's just as easy to use.
tommyt23456
on Feb 6, 2017
(33 Wks)
I am fine with the $10 - 15 year and also with bitcoin payments
Tetragrama
on Feb 10, 2017
(32 Wks)
Hey, when are we going to get this show on the road?
caldwellone
on Feb 10, 2017
(32 Wks)
paypal gets my vote. I dont think I would go through the trouble with bitcoin tbh. also wouldn't mind a 6 month option.
alferret
on Feb 11, 2017
(32 Wks)
Never used BitCoin, dont want to, wont look at even entertaining it.
Paypal > Yes
CC > Yes

Also those with BFF lose their status as BFF when new model comes in (until you've made payment again)?

Not really fair on those of us that supported UC over the years, maybe those with BFF status would get the option of reduced yearly cost or full cost but their choice to choose A or B.
bhcalcutta
on Feb 12, 2017
(32 Wks)
I could happily support an annual fee of around £10, & like others I'd really prefer other options than bitcoin
MudflapBOTW
on Feb 12, 2017
(32 Wks)
Gave tried to use Bitcon before. After jumping thru all the hoops required my account was denied. I'll not try again.

If the "pay to play" option is adopted you may want to conceder a "lite membership" option. Some of us only use this site occasionally and already pay for other premium sites. Maybe Reduce API hits to 100 per day for "BFF Lite" for the current $10/Lifetime members.... or some other way to implement a lite membership option.
w33ty
on Feb 12, 2017
(32 Wks)
Would try bitcoin again but i found a pain in the arse last time i tried it
jchernand
on Feb 13, 2017
(32 Wks)
Your LIQPay method cost me US$10 because it went through as a wire transfer. I didn't appreciate the "surprise" charge. However you decide to accept payment please don't use a provider that causes additional charges.
miketuck
on Feb 13, 2017
(32 Wks)
I am in - $10-$15 a year, not even a worry. And I am even willing to jump on the Bitcoin wagon if I have to!
kuurus
on Feb 15, 2017
(32 Wks)
I would only use Paypal as well.
dumbrichblonde
on Feb 15, 2017
(32 Wks)
Yes, dont understand bitcoin. My brain freezes over. Spent great deal of time trying to figuren out. Interested in paypal. Many times wanted to send money. Didnt know how. Another site had same problem with paypal.
They stated - on paypal allowed to send money to an email account. As if sending to a friend. (Probably best not to mention Usenet crawler.) Make sure listing your handle to get credit.
Mr. Admin - would that work?
Feel many of us wanted to send, but too complex to figure out how to do it.
Been with you since the beginning.
We love this site! What joy brings us! Thank you!
Tetragrama
on Feb 16, 2017
(32 Wks)
You can use Circle.com for bitcoin
jpc
on Feb 26, 2017
(30 Wks)
Happy for a £10-£15 annual subscription but bitcoin is a no no. The last time I tried it for a site subscription on another site I spent hours trying to set up a bitcoin account and even tried just to buy some and in the end, the error messages when something invariably went wrong was so opaque that I just gave up having little to no confidence in the organisations I had been trying to deal with and at the time these were reputedly bitcoin organisations in good standing.

Then again, if you do make it bitcoin only, it wouldn't be too big a loss as I doubt I use the site more than once a month or so, if that, I just like to have it as a possible back up and hence why £10-£15 would be an acceptable annual price. It is also on par with a couple of other useful usenet sites I keep as backup as no one site comes close to having everything.

Looked at circle.com and it looks like an awful lot of trouble just to make one payment to one site that nowadays I only have as a backup. What do you plan to do if you go the bitcoin route, i.e. what will happen to existing bff.
SplittingDis
on Feb 26, 2017
(30 Wks)
Happy with $10 PA, happy with Bitcoin. Not so happy to hand over any more $ until reliability issues are fixed and site has been running for at least a couple on months without significant downtime.
KK99KK
on Mar 5, 2017
(29 Wks)
As a lite user, I’d be fine with paying $12 a year, but Bitcoin is a bit too much hassle for many of us and I totally understand why Paypal is not a solution.

I’m also not happy to share my data with Eastern European or Russian Payment processors. Amazon gift cards would work very well for me personally, but is obviously not a real solution from a biz perspective either.

I’ve seen another indexer and even a usenet provider accepting Stripe as cc processor, and I hope the site operator finds a way to integrate it. Alternatively, as mentioned previously, there is a China based payment processor that is easy to set up, but then all funds are in Chinese Yuan Renminbi. Currency conversion fees apply and I have no clue how hard or easy it is to wire the funds back out from China. However, I’ve seen this option being successfully used by a UK based online biz since many years.

I also suggest to severely limit the free accounts once some better payment options have been set-up.
Currently, there is almost no reason for free members to pay something, apart from their conscience and a longing for solidarity.

Lastly, I also agree with the previous poster, that the site’s uptime has to be improved.
goat999
on Mar 7, 2017
(29 Wks)
I'm more than happy to pay yearly but again no way with bitcoin. complete pain in the arse. Paypal ok though
Bradnoid
on Mar 8, 2017
(29 Wks)
I'd be in for that as well. Bitcoin is fine too. But, I also agree that there needs to be better reliability. Seems like this thing is down a lot. Get a Circle account, people. Makes Bitcoin simple.
Tetragrama
on Mar 8, 2017
(29 Wks)
I second that suggestion, Bradnoid. I have a Circle account and it was pretty easy to setup.
jericko
on Mar 11, 2017
(28 Wks)
"As far as Bitcoins go, Google is your friend, just as well as it was for PayPal the first time around no doubt."

Add me to the list of people who will not pay if it is Bitcoin. Your site, your choice, but we users have choices as well.
seadogse
on Mar 18, 2017
(27 Wks)
I vote for yearly subscriptions for a service that has rebounded well to provide very up to date nzbs. It is well worth investing in stability in a very valuable source.
seadogse
on Mar 18, 2017
(27 Wks)
PS. Had many problems with bitcoin so there must be an alternative payment, e.g. paypal.
geezer466
on Apr 5, 2017
(25 Wks)
I am in for a yearly and I been about a long time as a BFF.
Paypal or Card though please not BC.
RoccoS
on Apr 7, 2017
(24 Wks)
Well, i went now for the first time to BBF. And my Brother too. I am not sure, if i would pay a Yealy Subscription, cause theis Side has lost a lot of credit in the last time too me. It is now more then a half year nor that was it was to bee..
But for sure, Bitcoin only, no way..
NZBseeker
on Apr 7, 2017
(24 Wks)
I would be willing to pay $10/year if the site was reliable like it was several years ago when I joined. I realize there is a cost to running and maintaining servers. Newzbin use to charge a few dollars every few months. There has not been a service as good as he was, since.

But first, I want to see reliability.
limey16
on Apr 13, 2017
(24 Wks)
I also would pay a yearly subscription of $10 if the site was reliable, but with Paypal, no bit coins.
Beggarz
on Apr 19, 2017
(23 Wks)
I'd be happy for a yearly subscription...maybe with a Christmas sale ( :-) ) but only when the reliability has been proven (for instance this is the 3rd time of trying to post this...nginx gateway timeout...)

However I echo the groans of peeps above who would rather not pay with BitCoin. I've only ever used it once and that was here. It was a pain in the hoop. Paypal is a much easier way of giving over hard earned cash and would be preferred if you can get it sorted
Zunigene
on Apr 19, 2017
(23 Wks)
Happy for a yearly subscription, but please take PayPal, BC is very difficult for some of us.
tadmeister69
on Apr 20, 2017
(23 Wks)
I think the site would need to be more stable and offer paypal options before going yearly, otherwise I could see losing users to other sites.
sn3ak
on Apr 20, 2017
(23 Wks)
I'd pay annually, but quality must improve dramatically. 95% of my searches time out or fail. Even logging into the site takes far too long. I also echo the need for options other then BitCoin, otherwise this is likely a no go for me.
sn3ak
on Apr 20, 2017
(23 Wks)
Doesn't help that posting my last remark gave me a nginx 502 error
danybloke
on Apr 22, 2017
(22 Wks)
@tadmeister69 I don't think Paypal will do business with a site like this........
Dick
on Apr 22, 2017
(22 Wks)
10-15 a year,no problems..
Zebedee3
on Apr 23, 2017
(22 Wks)
I'm not in favor of bitcoin. Maybe Paypal.
tyr2
on Apr 28, 2017
(21 Wks)
I'd be happy to help; I've been here since, "go." Whatever your final choice, I'm in. However. I got hosed using BitCoin a few years ago; I'd much (READ: MUCH!) prefer PayPal. Were contributing easy, I'd, also, be inclined to make periodic support payments.
chaynick
on May 3, 2017
(21 Wks)
I'm in. I'd rather use PayPal as well
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